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		<title>By: Loden Jinpa</title>
		<link>http://lodenjinpa.com/death-process-in-buddhism/comment-page-1/#comment-13377</link>
		<dc:creator>Loden Jinpa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 04:44:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wow great question(s) true is though I&#039;m not sure I can answer them. Other than to say that yes, there is a correlation between the mind/body complex shutting down and the dissolution process. However, I&#039;m not sure that the subtle body IS the nervous system. I believe the nervous system is actually part of the grosser mind/body complex. However, I may be wrong. 

There is much more that neuroscience still has to work out in this regard. In fact, as it stands today most naturalists such as Dan Dennet believe consciousness to merely an emergent property of the brain. If that is the case then rebirth is not possible.

However, following Prof Robert Thurman, I assert that perhaps science simply hasn&#039;t YET found methods to measure the very subtle mind, which is in fact, not a property of the brain, and it is this which is the cause of the regeneration of the future mind/body complex. Perhaps when or if there are machine to do this science&#039; view will shift.

Im not sure if that answered any questions?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow great question(s) true is though I&#8217;m not sure I can answer them. Other than to say that yes, there is a correlation between the mind/body complex shutting down and the dissolution process. However, I&#8217;m not sure that the subtle body IS the nervous system. I believe the nervous system is actually part of the grosser mind/body complex. However, I may be wrong. </p>
<p>There is much more that neuroscience still has to work out in this regard. In fact, as it stands today most naturalists such as Dan Dennet believe consciousness to merely an emergent property of the brain. If that is the case then rebirth is not possible.</p>
<p>However, following Prof Robert Thurman, I assert that perhaps science simply hasn&#8217;t YET found methods to measure the very subtle mind, which is in fact, not a property of the brain, and it is this which is the cause of the regeneration of the future mind/body complex. Perhaps when or if there are machine to do this science&#8217; view will shift.</p>
<p>Im not sure if that answered any questions?</p>
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		<title>By: Pete</title>
		<link>http://lodenjinpa.com/death-process-in-buddhism/comment-page-1/#comment-13373</link>
		<dc:creator>Pete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 04:13:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hey man, 
This is really informative, I appreciate you taking your time to post this info as it helps with my studies! Im Looking for a bit of clarification I think there is some meaning lost in translation, because some of the words used to explain phenomena dont come from a context we readily use and also have numerous definitions which usually we only learn the common meaning, which leads to a few gaps in understanding, for me anyway. Nervous System, is translated as subtle body, which relates to most of the bodys mechanics?
My question is, Is this process just different parts of the brain shutting down at different times, So the Hippocampus may shut down in the second stage of death when we experience disorientation and memory loss along with the Neo cortex shutting down which accounts for the end of feeling?
 Throughout the whole process the pons (breathing mechanism) is slowly losing steam untill the 4th dissolution(of which there is no return) and it stops.
So can dissolution simply be seen as parts of my brain sequentially shutting down?

also for example We have brain: split this in two, Prosencephalon and mid brain then both of these can be split again to the sections I partly mentioned earlier. Could there be a correlation between parts of the brain and dissolution, lets say, mid brain is the 3rd stage of dissolution, so every component (Epithalamus, Thalamus, Hypothalamus, Subthalamus, Pituitary gland, Pineal gland, Third ventricle) subsequently shuts down.  as for the forbrain and its components Rhinencephalon, Amygdala, Hippocampus, Neocortex, Lateral ventricles could be the second stage and 
Or are we talking here that every section of the brain shuts down similitanously 

I know it is gross first but in western terms what is this? I cant seem to get my head around it? Eye ear smell Yea but whats the connection here is sight a grosser level?

I think a lot of meaning is lost by using foreign words, there are a lot of examples and I ask because you specifically said what a subtle body was! so simple, but It is easy to be so confused because usually translations are just written as subtle body, and Id be surprised if einstine could grasp the term subtle body with out being previously exposed? Thats my opinion but love to hear others so I can broarden mine or change it if it is wrong.

any how cheers dude
I hope all goes well with your PHD!

Pete</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey man,<br />
This is really informative, I appreciate you taking your time to post this info as it helps with my studies! Im Looking for a bit of clarification I think there is some meaning lost in translation, because some of the words used to explain phenomena dont come from a context we readily use and also have numerous definitions which usually we only learn the common meaning, which leads to a few gaps in understanding, for me anyway. Nervous System, is translated as subtle body, which relates to most of the bodys mechanics?<br />
My question is, Is this process just different parts of the brain shutting down at different times, So the Hippocampus may shut down in the second stage of death when we experience disorientation and memory loss along with the Neo cortex shutting down which accounts for the end of feeling?<br />
 Throughout the whole process the pons (breathing mechanism) is slowly losing steam untill the 4th dissolution(of which there is no return) and it stops.<br />
So can dissolution simply be seen as parts of my brain sequentially shutting down?</p>
<p>also for example We have brain: split this in two, Prosencephalon and mid brain then both of these can be split again to the sections I partly mentioned earlier. Could there be a correlation between parts of the brain and dissolution, lets say, mid brain is the 3rd stage of dissolution, so every component (Epithalamus, Thalamus, Hypothalamus, Subthalamus, Pituitary gland, Pineal gland, Third ventricle) subsequently shuts down.  as for the forbrain and its components Rhinencephalon, Amygdala, Hippocampus, Neocortex, Lateral ventricles could be the second stage and<br />
Or are we talking here that every section of the brain shuts down similitanously </p>
<p>I know it is gross first but in western terms what is this? I cant seem to get my head around it? Eye ear smell Yea but whats the connection here is sight a grosser level?</p>
<p>I think a lot of meaning is lost by using foreign words, there are a lot of examples and I ask because you specifically said what a subtle body was! so simple, but It is easy to be so confused because usually translations are just written as subtle body, and Id be surprised if einstine could grasp the term subtle body with out being previously exposed? Thats my opinion but love to hear others so I can broarden mine or change it if it is wrong.</p>
<p>any how cheers dude<br />
I hope all goes well with your PHD!</p>
<p>Pete</p>
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		<title>By: Buddhist prayers for the dying &#124; Loden Jinpa - Merely Labeled</title>
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		<dc:creator>Buddhist prayers for the dying &#124; Loden Jinpa - Merely Labeled</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 07:41:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Loden Jinpa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Loden Jinpa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Mar 2008 22:28:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Tara,

Generally speaking just having good thoughts and memories of the person will be helpful for you and your the person. 

If you feel so inclined you can meditate of compassion and loving-kindness for all sentient beings. 
It would be best to start off the meditation not focusing on the person because this could cause you to get upset. 
Think about someone like a work friend or similar, then as the meditation continues add more and more people into the scope of your meditation. 
Then in the end add the person. Then lastly and this is the important part, try and develop a feeling that all the people in the scope of your meditation are of example importance to you. 
It might be difficult at first but, this will be of great help in developing equanimity, a precursor to great compassion.

In terms of a Buddhist prayer for death or dying people. You can recite the following prayer.

By this virtue (reciting this prayer), at the instant of death, may you/I take rebirth in Tushita (a heavenly realm). 
May you/I meet the limitless Bodhisattvas and be cared for by Maitreya, our supreme refuge.

Through the fire of great love, the wood of hatred is burnt.
Through the light of pristine awareness, the darkness of ignorance is dispelled. 
To the Regent of the Dharma (Maitreya Buddha) abiding in Tushita, I prostrate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Tara,</p>
<p>Generally speaking just having good thoughts and memories of the person will be helpful for you and your the person. </p>
<p>If you feel so inclined you can meditate of compassion and loving-kindness for all sentient beings.<br />
It would be best to start off the meditation not focusing on the person because this could cause you to get upset.<br />
Think about someone like a work friend or similar, then as the meditation continues add more and more people into the scope of your meditation.<br />
Then in the end add the person. Then lastly and this is the important part, try and develop a feeling that all the people in the scope of your meditation are of example importance to you.<br />
It might be difficult at first but, this will be of great help in developing equanimity, a precursor to great compassion.</p>
<p>In terms of a Buddhist prayer for death or dying people. You can recite the following prayer.</p>
<p>By this virtue (reciting this prayer), at the instant of death, may you/I take rebirth in Tushita (a heavenly realm).<br />
May you/I meet the limitless Bodhisattvas and be cared for by Maitreya, our supreme refuge.</p>
<p>Through the fire of great love, the wood of hatred is burnt.<br />
Through the light of pristine awareness, the darkness of ignorance is dispelled.<br />
To the Regent of the Dharma (Maitreya Buddha) abiding in Tushita, I prostrate.</p>
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		<title>By: tara</title>
		<link>http://lodenjinpa.com/death-process-in-buddhism/comment-page-1/#comment-440</link>
		<dc:creator>tara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Mar 2008 15:53:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Loden Jinpa,
I would like to ask about if the person is dying. what is the most important thing to do. If she is in the hospital and death occurs...

thank you
Tara</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Loden Jinpa,<br />
I would like to ask about if the person is dying. what is the most important thing to do. If she is in the hospital and death occurs&#8230;</p>
<p>thank you<br />
Tara</p>
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		<title>By: Loden Jinpa</title>
		<link>http://lodenjinpa.com/death-process-in-buddhism/comment-page-1/#comment-148</link>
		<dc:creator>Loden Jinpa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 07:42:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Carol,

The question “who created human beings” presupposes that there is a need for someone to be a creator in order for human beings to exist. Buddhism would disagree with this assertion.

While there is an easy answer to this question - that being Karma is the creator of our human body, the environment and so forth. I think it is not always the best answer to give. Why? Because sometimes it is more powerful to explain it in terms of  the continuum of mind is creator of all we experience. While this is not technically correct, in my experience it is an easier concept for most people to grasp. We can also see it in our own day to day experiences. One day we are happy the next not so. When we are happy and relaxed the world around us seems a nicer place and the people we meet seem to be nice people. The truth is though, our perceptions of things and events are colored by the contents of our minds. If we are angry the world seems more hostile than when we are not anger. The world hasn&#039;t changed has it? Well actually one could debate that but, for this conversation we will just say it has not changed. This gives the listener some insight into how our own mind can impact of perceptions. 

Of course the mind plays a big role in the production of karma, so indirectly it is the creator of everything.

However if pressed, I would go into a high level explanation of when a person passes away and how their mind continues on to find a new body. If they are to take rebirth as a human being their mind will enter the conjoined sperm and ovum of their future parents. Thus passing from one life to the next. And so the creator of a human being is a combination of many different factors. You could potentially go into an explanation of what constitutes a human being. This would really depend on the context of the conversation. If you are talking to an open minded and genuinely interested person go into detail. If not don&#039;t :)

A detailed explanation of this process can be found in the teachings on the 12 Dependant Links. I will do a video about this if there is interest.

How does that sound? Is that what you were looking for? Any other questions?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Carol,</p>
<p>The question “who created human beings” presupposes that there is a need for someone to be a creator in order for human beings to exist. Buddhism would disagree with this assertion.</p>
<p>While there is an easy answer to this question &#8211; that being Karma is the creator of our human body, the environment and so forth. I think it is not always the best answer to give. Why? Because sometimes it is more powerful to explain it in terms of  the continuum of mind is creator of all we experience. While this is not technically correct, in my experience it is an easier concept for most people to grasp. We can also see it in our own day to day experiences. One day we are happy the next not so. When we are happy and relaxed the world around us seems a nicer place and the people we meet seem to be nice people. The truth is though, our perceptions of things and events are colored by the contents of our minds. If we are angry the world seems more hostile than when we are not anger. The world hasn&#8217;t changed has it? Well actually one could debate that but, for this conversation we will just say it has not changed. This gives the listener some insight into how our own mind can impact of perceptions. </p>
<p>Of course the mind plays a big role in the production of karma, so indirectly it is the creator of everything.</p>
<p>However if pressed, I would go into a high level explanation of when a person passes away and how their mind continues on to find a new body. If they are to take rebirth as a human being their mind will enter the conjoined sperm and ovum of their future parents. Thus passing from one life to the next. And so the creator of a human being is a combination of many different factors. You could potentially go into an explanation of what constitutes a human being. This would really depend on the context of the conversation. If you are talking to an open minded and genuinely interested person go into detail. If not don&#8217;t :)</p>
<p>A detailed explanation of this process can be found in the teachings on the 12 Dependant Links. I will do a video about this if there is interest.</p>
<p>How does that sound? Is that what you were looking for? Any other questions?</p>
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		<title>By: carol Leong</title>
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		<dc:creator>carol Leong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 06:08:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been asked &quot;who created human beings&quot; as we do not belief in The God creator? How do I answer this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been asked &#8220;who created human beings&#8221; as we do not belief in The God creator? How do I answer this?</p>
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		<title>By: Loden Jinpa</title>
		<link>http://lodenjinpa.com/death-process-in-buddhism/comment-page-1/#comment-73</link>
		<dc:creator>Loden Jinpa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 11:34:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It can take from minutes to weeks, depending on the person and the circumstances of their death.

Even normal people that is non-yogis can have slow deaths. But this is not always the case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It can take from minutes to weeks, depending on the person and the circumstances of their death.</p>
<p>Even normal people that is non-yogis can have slow deaths. But this is not always the case.</p>
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		<title>By: Anwesh</title>
		<link>http://lodenjinpa.com/death-process-in-buddhism/comment-page-1/#comment-71</link>
		<dc:creator>Anwesh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 11:30:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Loden Jinpa,

This has been quite educating for me. 

Can you please let me know how quickly does the Dissolution Process take place?

Is the mind(or Consciousness) that leaves a body and goes over to the next birth like an identification of the living being?
Since this is not a material object, can it have an identity? 
This is not like a permanent soul. I was wondering if this is perhaps a label which says Person A&#039;s mind, Person B&#039;s mind etc.
Can a mind in one birth be identified in subsequent births?
If yes then who can identify it?
If no then how does nature identify the person carrying this mind when the effects of one&#039;s Karma has to occur.


Thanks and Regards.
Anwesh</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Loden Jinpa,</p>
<p>This has been quite educating for me. </p>
<p>Can you please let me know how quickly does the Dissolution Process take place?</p>
<p>Is the mind(or Consciousness) that leaves a body and goes over to the next birth like an identification of the living being?<br />
Since this is not a material object, can it have an identity?<br />
This is not like a permanent soul. I was wondering if this is perhaps a label which says Person A&#8217;s mind, Person B&#8217;s mind etc.<br />
Can a mind in one birth be identified in subsequent births?<br />
If yes then who can identify it?<br />
If no then how does nature identify the person carrying this mind when the effects of one&#8217;s Karma has to occur.</p>
<p>Thanks and Regards.<br />
Anwesh</p>
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