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		<title>By: Loden Jinpa</title>
		<link>http://lodenjinpa.com/scientist-studies-brain-from-the-inside/comment-page-1/#comment-22328</link>
		<dc:creator>Loden Jinpa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 03:43:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While it would be nice to reply, I simply am not qualified to do so. However, this is a book you should read.
http://www.amazon.com/Mind-Life-Biology-Phenomenology-Sciences/dp/0674025113/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1240198965&amp;sr=1-1</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While it would be nice to reply, I simply am not qualified to do so. However, this is a book you should read.<br />
<a href="http://www.amazon.com/Mind-Life-Biology-Phenomenology-Sciences/dp/0674025113/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1240198965&amp;sr=1-1">http://www.amazon.com/Mind-Life-Biology-Phenomenology-Sciences/dp/0674025113/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1240198965&amp;sr=1-1</a></p>
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		<title>By: B. Kumar</title>
		<link>http://lodenjinpa.com/scientist-studies-brain-from-the-inside/comment-page-1/#comment-22286</link>
		<dc:creator>B. Kumar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Apr 2009 20:31:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have some questions which you can answer &amp; I wish your guidance for the same. 
What is Brain? 
What is Mind? 
What is the difference between Mind &amp; Brain? 
What are the Uses of Mind &amp; Brain? How they Function? 
Hoping  your reply, if possible with picture/snaps at earliest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have some questions which you can answer &amp; I wish your guidance for the same.<br />
What is Brain?<br />
What is Mind?<br />
What is the difference between Mind &amp; Brain?<br />
What are the Uses of Mind &amp; Brain? How they Function?<br />
Hoping  your reply, if possible with picture/snaps at earliest.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://lodenjinpa.com/scientist-studies-brain-from-the-inside/comment-page-1/#comment-15543</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 06:55:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Really... I was not speaking as if science has proven anything... I was sincerely asking you 5 questions in a spirit of enquiry and wonder. 

When I was writing my questions I did not have answers to those questions within my own consciousness.  Now after receiving your response I still do not have answers to those questions. :-)

Perhaps they were irrelevant questions, or too difficult, or perhaps expressed poorly.

Here.. I&#039;ll have a go at refining my expression of the first question:

1. How can consciousness exist without the brain? 

Please notice that this is not a statement, it is a question. I am not negating the possibility of consciousness existing without the brain. I am asking about the nature of that existence. 

The question is not seeking an answer of &#039;yes&#039; or &#039;no&#039;. It is perhaps better understood as a question that contains the pre-supposition, (or at least the hypothesis): &#039;yes, consciousness exists independently of the brain&#039;. From that assertion the question is leading on to an answer in terms of &#039;the mechanism is....&#039;, or &#039;we can understand the nature of non-reliant consciousness like this....&#039;. 

Perhaps then, the question is better expressed as:

&quot;Given that consciousness can exist without the brain, what is the nature or mechanism of that existence?&quot; 

In that formulation perhaps the sincerity of the enquiry is perceived. And, perhaps the answer is &quot;no human has yet been able to adequately explain that mechanism...&quot; or &quot;it is certain that that existence cannot be explained in mechanistic terms&quot;. 

What do you think? Or, what does Tibetan Buddhism teach here? 


Thanks for the Ref, I am reading.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really&#8230; I was not speaking as if science has proven anything&#8230; I was sincerely asking you 5 questions in a spirit of enquiry and wonder. </p>
<p>When I was writing my questions I did not have answers to those questions within my own consciousness.  Now after receiving your response I still do not have answers to those questions. :-)</p>
<p>Perhaps they were irrelevant questions, or too difficult, or perhaps expressed poorly.</p>
<p>Here.. I&#8217;ll have a go at refining my expression of the first question:</p>
<p>1. How can consciousness exist without the brain? </p>
<p>Please notice that this is not a statement, it is a question. I am not negating the possibility of consciousness existing without the brain. I am asking about the nature of that existence. </p>
<p>The question is not seeking an answer of &#8216;yes&#8217; or &#8216;no&#8217;. It is perhaps better understood as a question that contains the pre-supposition, (or at least the hypothesis): &#8216;yes, consciousness exists independently of the brain&#8217;. From that assertion the question is leading on to an answer in terms of &#8216;the mechanism is&#8230;.&#8217;, or &#8216;we can understand the nature of non-reliant consciousness like this&#8230;.&#8217;. </p>
<p>Perhaps then, the question is better expressed as:</p>
<p>&#8220;Given that consciousness can exist without the brain, what is the nature or mechanism of that existence?&#8221; </p>
<p>In that formulation perhaps the sincerity of the enquiry is perceived. And, perhaps the answer is &#8220;no human has yet been able to adequately explain that mechanism&#8230;&#8221; or &#8220;it is certain that that existence cannot be explained in mechanistic terms&#8221;. </p>
<p>What do you think? Or, what does Tibetan Buddhism teach here? </p>
<p>Thanks for the Ref, I am reading.</p>
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		<title>By: Loden Jinpa</title>
		<link>http://lodenjinpa.com/scientist-studies-brain-from-the-inside/comment-page-1/#comment-15523</link>
		<dc:creator>Loden Jinpa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 00:21:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi John,

You speak as if science has &quot;proven&quot; that consciousness is nothing more than an emergent property of the brain. This is simply not the case. Clearly the brain plays a role in the process of thoughts etc, but it is many believe, myself included (at this point in time) that there is more to it than this. Many western sciencstics and philosophies do not hold this view, although it is a secular belife that they so. So, I think you will find that the jury is still out on this one. 

In fact, there are many scienticst that will admit they do not fully understand what consciousness is. So, perhaps you could look into a little more such as here http://consc.net/consc-papers.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi John,</p>
<p>You speak as if science has &#8220;proven&#8221; that consciousness is nothing more than an emergent property of the brain. This is simply not the case. Clearly the brain plays a role in the process of thoughts etc, but it is many believe, myself included (at this point in time) that there is more to it than this. Many western sciencstics and philosophies do not hold this view, although it is a secular belife that they so. So, I think you will find that the jury is still out on this one. </p>
<p>In fact, there are many scienticst that will admit they do not fully understand what consciousness is. So, perhaps you could look into a little more such as here <a href="http://consc.net/consc-papers.html">http://consc.net/consc-papers.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://lodenjinpa.com/scientist-studies-brain-from-the-inside/comment-page-1/#comment-15521</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 23:44:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You mention: &#039;subtle consciousness is not reliant on the brain&#039;.

How can that be? Is it possible? Do you teach that consciousness exists independently of the brain? If so, where is that consciousness? If it is not reliant on the brain, what IS it reliant on?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You mention: &#8217;subtle consciousness is not reliant on the brain&#8217;.</p>
<p>How can that be? Is it possible? Do you teach that consciousness exists independently of the brain? If so, where is that consciousness? If it is not reliant on the brain, what IS it reliant on?</p>
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		<dc:creator>Buddhist tools of meditation &#124; Loden Jinpa - Merely Labeled</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 07:06:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Mar 2008 01:10:29 +0000</pubDate>
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